Monday, 23 March 2009

Scared Of Being A Muslim???

Assalam
I am a Muslimah, Alhamdulillah! But, how far am I ready to take my identity as one????

Certain things that have been happening in the past few years make me feel so miserable… miserable bout the state Huzur’s Ummati is in. There are many sides to it…

Let’s start with that which is the most important for Muslims in the present scenario,

Terrorism…….. I don’t think I need to speak much bout it.. the television, newspapers, internet and other possible means by which we can gain information, are all bestowing their graces upon us. We are in no dearth of news bout terrorists, wannabe-terrorists, framed-terrorists, anti-terrorism terrorists and so on. These are people who love violence and yes, these are Muslims; not that Muslims in general love violence, nor is it that this fraction of Muslims is the only one which loves violence, you’d find many such in other religions and castes too, but…. We all know the way this world runs… so, the fact that remains is- Terrorists are Muslims.. and worse still.. Muslims are Terrorists!




Now, in my opinion, as in the opinion of many- Terrorism was not the cause behind Islamophobia…. Islamophobia existed from ever. Islamophobia existed when the infidels conspired to kill Huzur S.A.W, Islamophobia existed when the Jews set out to kill Jesus A.S, Islamophobia existed when Noah A.S. was rejected by His people….
Islamophobia existed from ever, it’s only that the word can be given an official status of being called wat it is being called since the coming of our Prophet, Beloved Huzur S.A.W. coz’ non-Muslims newaz don believe the previous Prophets to be Muslims, they are of the belief that Muhammad S.A.W was a crazy man greedy for power, fame, money and the blah blahs… crazy enuf that He thot people wud actually follow such a difficult religion, crazy enuf to be following that difficult religion Himself, crazy enuf to refuse Kingdoms offered, crazy enuf to live a life with meager possessions, crazy enuf to live in a fear of persecution for being a ‘preacher’, crazy enuf to continue ‘preaching’ all the same, crazy enuf to die a simple death, nothing dramatic bout his death, and of course, crazy enuf not to rise back(?) after He died….
Other Prophets who did just the same… some call them ‘Messiah’, whereas Muhammad- He is a man possessed!!! Like I said- We all know the way this world runs …
Even many Muslims somehow seem to skip the fact that God did not send any other religion to this world…. The one religion was to worship God! God and no other entity! So, that makes all those Prophets gone by and Huzur, Prophets of the same religion….
The only difference being the introduction of the term ‘Islam’ at the time of Huzur.
So, coming bak to wat I was saying- Islamophobia existed from ever and it is this anti-Islamism dat led to terrorism, whether insidiously, whether abruptly, whether directly, whether indirectly- hatred towards Islam was the cause and not the outcome of Terrorism.
This ‘hatred’ plus the material greed is wat has caused all the terrorist activities the world over. The people at the top have the material greed and the people who are actually killed, who actually become the ‘suicide bombers’ are the victims of the aforesaid ‘hatred’.
All this is done in the name of Allah, in the name of Jehad…. Far from being Jehad, these are sins guaranteeing them their entry into Hell. But, use of the term ‘Jehad’ is crucial to the power-men… ‘Jehad’, the Struggle, is an established and essential part of Islam,… no rank is higher than a Jehadi… recruitment to any ‘organization’ would become next to impossible if ‘Jehad’ is not used… go and ask a Muslim if he is ready to kill women and children…….. go and ask a Muslim if he is ready to blow buses and buildings, go and ask Him if he would do this, no sane Muslim wud agree…. Go and ask him if he’d be a Jehadi,….. no sane Muslim wud disagree……..
After you recruit men, all you need is a few Quranic verses, mind you.. only a few.. coz’ the whole of the Quran wud have them busted… so, be careful and choose the appropriate verses.. one from here and one from there….. and your work is done!
Unfortunately,Not even one-third of all that is being done in the name of Jehad would qualify as Jehad!
Religion, I believe, is a narcotic…. It can get you addicted….. it can make you fall in love, it can make you kill, it can make you get killed, it can drive you crazy..
Narcotic- A very thin line separates its therapeutic uses from its abuse.
Religion, like narcotics, brings with it a passion unparalleled, and with that extra dash of passion that we Muslims are blessed with (it’s a truth! Don’t cringe!), we are the most susceptible to fall into the category of abuse.
I don’t remember well the year in which we learnt it, but, there was a chapter in our English text (10th, 11th or 12th .. am not sure!), where the author says that ‘Religion is the second most decisive factor that differentiates people, next only to language’… I cudn agree more!



Terrorism in all its glory is the most crucial element in any Muslim’s life rite now. That’s coz’ he stands a chance of being treated as a terrorist even though he’s not, he stands a chance of being killed coz’ he was suspected to be a terrorist, he stands a chance of losing his family members who in turn are killed by terrorists or by people who mistook them to be terrorists or by people who framed them under charges of terrorism coz’ the real terrorists cudn be captured and people and the media had to be appeased with some Muslim blood; he stands a chance of being caught in a fear of being considered a terrorist and every move in his life then starts revolving around the attempt to show that he’s not a terrorist, he stands a chance of being abused, ridiculed, laughed at; he stands a chance of being constantly made to defend his religion and its principles; he stands a chance of being pointed at for the reason that he got defensive; he stands a chance of seeing none his defenses being accepted with no reasonable counter claims; and finally he stands a chance of becoming a terrorist himself coz of reasons not hidden to anyone.

And all the Islamophobia (which, like I said, existed from ever and has only been accentuated post 9/11) has led to anoder phobia… ‘Islamophobia’phobia…….
The fear of being feared of……….

…………………………………




Having told bout wat I think has lead to the few incidents that im goin to mention, I wish to state, in addition, that these are only the few cases I have seen or heard of within my family, im making no attempts to cover the wide range of insecurities a Muslim is facing today. Writing bout how a Hindu can grow a beard without second thots bout his safety, but a Muslim growing a beard is taking a risk; how a Sikh with relatives in Pakistan wudn be ashamed or scared but a Muslim with Paki relatives is somehow, not very comfortable bout it; would only take up too much of space and too much of time.
Newaz..

The most recent in the series of events, and that which sparked off this post, has to do wid Azhar. Moved to Bangalore on the 20th and trying to get acquainted with his new locality, apparently, a locality with a substantial Muslim population; Azhar was relieved to find a mosque within walking distance from his rented flat, which is also within walking distance from his workplace (wat I mean is all the three are within walking distance of each other). So much for that. The next words he utters is bout how ‘people’ (whom I choose not to mention) have been telling him to be ‘safe’, how not to go about ‘showing’ that he’s a Muslim….. how he shudn alone ask any person at office that he wishes to go pray Jummah, how he shudn get involved with the mosque much as in any kind of Jamaat wagairah. …….now, as wud be expected of me, I got totally crossed at this.. so he went on to explain the situation by giving me a few examples of how innocent Muslims get screwed for being just that-‘ innocent Muslims’! Midway explaining the second incident, he stopped short and told, ‘let’s not say so much over phone!’…. well, whatever he meant remains understood by him.. all that I know is that it sounds pretty familiar to me… I have a Kashmiri friend who says this very often ‘let’s not say so much over phone!’.. now, coming from a Kashi’s mouth it doesn’t sound all that alien…. Coz of the fact that he’s a Kashi, after all… but, a Hindi saying such a thing in Hindustan is not something I as an Indian can be proud of!......
2 days in Bangalore and ppl learn to be ‘careful’ as Muslims….. wonder wat wud happen in 2 years!!!!
I can only pray for this little boy……

The next instance I mention also involves Azhar and me,,,,, at an eating joint in Chennai…. We r having our dinner wen a cutie little Chinky gal (for ppl whose vocabulary doesn’t include this word, ‘chinky’ refers to ppl of the Mongoloid race.. those gorgeous people with the slanting tiny winy eyes) comes near our table. Now, Azhar has this bad bad habit of talking to all the children he meets on this big planet called earth… so, as usual he calls this girlie towards him…. And I tell him not to …. Now, here’s the thing.. I tell him not to call her, not because I don find the child cute, nor coz I think children are a nuisance and not for any other reason dat someone mite think…. I tell him not to call her coz’ .. well… we r Muslims… and since I wear the headscarf, it’s not hidden to the world around that I am one… and given the grt love people have for Muslims, it wudn be a surprise if the child’s mother got Azhar and me jailed for trying to abduct a foreign national kid, or worse still… jailed for an attempt to stealthily drop a bomb into the little gal’s bag….or any other strange ‘hobbies’ that Muslims are reported to nurture.
Newaz… the kid’s mom yanked her back to place!!!!

A certain lady (again, not mentioning her name wud be prudent) told my sister, “Shaima, tum Faris ka naam Mohammed Faaris kyu rakhi hai???? Faaris Tabraiz kar do!”
[Shaima (my sister), why have you named Faaris (my sister’s son) Mohammed Faaris? Change it to Faaris Tabraiz!]
“Even I’m changing my son’s name from Mohammed ***** to ***** ******”
“Aajkal ‘Mohammed’ naam rakhne se bohot problem hota hai”
[nowadyas, you face a lot of problems if you keep the name’Mohammed’]
My aapa was shell-shocked! Cud a person be more disgusting than this???????




And well, let’s end it with the oh-so-well-known-Kashmir-phobia! A certain friend of mine was told by his mom to keep a safe distance from his Kashmiri friends (he was a part of a biiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggggggg Kashmiri group…. All Kashis, he was the only Hindi) for the reason that since he was a Muslim, he was more likely to be caught up in a mess if he had Kashi friends than if he was a Hindu or Sikh or something else…. The very same thing has been reiterated from time to time by my own mum with regard to that Kashi friend of mine…..

Now, I seriously do wonder if this is right by any means…. Hiding ur religion or being scared of it bcoz others are scared of it!
I had read sometime bak bout a concept among a certain fraction of Muslims (I choose not to mention the name of the fraction coz I believe in One Islam and see no reason to divide Islam based upon ANYHTING) by which we cud lie bout religion to protect our lives….. the name of that concept/idea or watev u call it escapes me rite now…. I guess it’s the subconscious mind at work.
They say that we tend to forget things that our subconscious mind refutes…. That we ‘intrinsically’ don’t believe in. Our mind tends to block off all such info.
I guess that’s wat happenin to me now.. coz I had spent a handsome amount of time reading bout that ‘thing’, and now, within months I have forgotten almost everything I had read… perhaps coz’ I didn’t believe in it at all (and , I still don’t)
Well, according to ‘It’ (and they claim that ‘It’ is present in all the said ‘fractions’ of Islam, only that people don’t follow it), if faced by a situation where we need to save our lives, we can lie bout our religion.
Now, this brings before us 2 things-
One, all the above quoted instances don’t deal with any actual threat to life.. they are all ‘imagined threats’.
Two, if so were the case (they give examples from the earliest times of Islam being brought by Huzur, when people used to hide their religion due to the fear of being persecuted), wat bout the coming of the Dajjal?? Wudn Dajjal say the same thing? To say that he’s God? Wud it be rite then for Muslims to say ‘Yes, Mr. AntiChrist, you are the God’ , while in their hearts remained Muslims???????????? And then wen the Anti-Christ is finally slain by Christ to come bak to Christ and say ki ‘Jesus bhaiya yeh to falaane falaane concept ke basis mein humne kiya’………
Well… I don think so.. I have always been hearing that the ultimate test of faith wud be in front of the Anti-Christ, wen only the true believers will remain stable, and the rest wud fall for the Dajjal’s tricks….. or did they mean, true believers ‘at heart’ and not ‘by action’ and not ‘by words’.
In my opinion a true believer will not change his religion, whether at heart, whether by words, whether by actions…..



I don’t think we shud stop living our lives coz we r Muslims, coz’ ‘people’ might be offended by our presence or by words like “InshAllah” and “Allah hafiz”…. Whatever comes, let it come…. As long as we rnt doing anything wrong and we r true in the sight of Allah, any false claims of my being a terrorist or anything similar shudn scare me off from living the life that God has Blessed me with.
Newaz…. So, I pray to God to Guide us all and keep us steadfast in religion, with no fears.

Allah hafiz.


23 comments:

rajnish said...

I understand the pain when you are typecast into an image that is not yours and you do not even want.
I sincerely feel that there is more love than hate in the world and that is what makes it go round in spite of all that is happening around us.There are more Hindus in this country who do not give a damn as to whether someone is a muslim or not and take people as they are.That's why we have muslims topping all speres of life films,politics,cricket,science,business.It will be unfair to say everyone feels like that.If it were so the above was not possible.It is important to believe in good rather than to loose faith.
But yes after so many incidences one needs to be careful of fundamentalists - hindu or muslim.

kashif said...

great post jalpari.

JaLpArI said...

@ rajnish
thanks a lot for the comment brother!
"I sincerely feel that there is more love than hate in the world and that is what makes it go round in spite of all that is happening around us."
very well said... i agree with you totally...
by mentioning those little examples i was by no means saying that it's Hindus or any other people who are discriminating against us! i only wanted to convey the psyche that is so increasingly invading into us Muslims.
i also wanted to tell that of all the people claiming to be 'terrorized' by terrorism (and yet goin bout their lives as usual), it's the people who share their religion with the terrorists who have been victimized the most.
thanks, to people like you (and yes, i know there are many :)), who understand that sterotypin wud not do much gud, the world moves on, the path continues, maybe bumpy, yet, not a very unpleasant journey.
well,
the catchword here is 'fundamentalist'........... watever that word is supposed to mean, i doubt if any person aware of the fundamentals of his religion, whether hinduism, whether Islam, whether Satanism, whether Paganism.. wud EVER go on a killing spree!!

JaLpArI said...

@kashif
thanks bro! :)

JaLpArI said...

i shall be deleting the previous two posts, sister Nida had written...

Blogger NiDa said...

aww mashaAllah sis, great post! I always get soooo annoyed when people do this. God help me! It's just a reflect reaction kinda thing. Why do we have to keep living in fear? why do we have to pretend that we are responsible for sumthing someone else does? it stinks. I don't see no Austrians or Germans being collectively blamed because of Hitler. Nor do I see Americans colelctively being blamed by the world for waging too many unjust wars... it's always a problem when it gets to 'muslims'.

All we need to do is wake up - unite the ummah - and quit this pagal pan aor silliness!!! Our prophet (pbuh) was treated much more harshly then we are right now, but he never quit spreading the message of Allah. We have become cowards, we have become suck ups - who rather save their own behind than do what is best for the greater good of our ummah!!!

Thank you for the post sis! Much appreciated.

23 March 2009 18:47

JaLpArI said...

@ Nida

yes my sister, we must always remind ouselves that Huzur S.A.W was treated in worse ways, but, he never gave up on Faith... May Allah Guide us all and give us courage to face people who victimize us and May Allah grant sense to the ones among us who are wrong.

chokkathangam said...

hi.. this is most unexpected.. i randomly came across your blog and find that you read mine..

i didn't know i had silent readers before this. and even more surprising, a muslim from andamans.. hmm..

regarding this post, i think its a sad thing that has happened to muslims, but i do feel it is something brought on by themselves. standing up for your beliefs is one thing. however, letting it get overboard and allowing it to manifest in the form of hate is not good. and sadly enough, the moderate among muslims lacked the judgement to raise their voices vociferously enough against this.

i was always of the opinion that while this may be happening to muslims around the world, the muslims in south india were totally isolated from these incidents. however, i was pretty surprised to find the glasgow bomber was a guy from bangalore. and some mallu friends tell me the northern kerala region is seeing a lot of radicalisation also.

i really believe, if moderate muslims identify with the muslim community, they must be willing to raise their voices loudly enough, at least amongst their own to stop such stuff from spreading amongst their own.

and btw, this is just a general opinion. not got anything significant to do with you or anything, unless you yourself think so.

JaLpArI said...

@ chokkathangam

well, :), ya i have been reading ur blog for quite sometime nw.....

""""regarding this post, i think its a sad thing that has happened to muslims, but i do feel it is something brought on by themselves""""

i agree. you visit any online shop and u find loads of clothing with "Islam is wat Islam does" written all over it.... it's just like Israel encrchd others homes so Israelis shud b hated, America went on a war agnst Iraq coz of the wepaons of mas dstrction, so Americans shud b hated. :/

""""standing up for your beliefs is one thing. however, letting it get overboard and allowing it to manifest in the form of hate is not good.""""
in any case, does this mean dat going overboard in my belief as a Muslim wud make me a terrorist??? if dat's d case, u hav a lot of reading to do....and well, i seriously hope 'to go overboard in my belief' but, inshaAllah u wont see me blowing up places ever :D


""""and sadly enough, the moderate among muslims lacked the judgement to raise their voices vociferously enough against this.
""""
SADLY ENOUGH, views like this still exist... in spite of the many conferences held by Muslims, the so-called-fatwas issued against 'terrorism', the various solidarity marches organized worldover, the many 'associations' formed to educate the Muslim Youth as to wat Islam is......... if, in spite of all the steps taken by the community, others are of the opinion that Muslims haven't been 'voiceferous' enuf... it wud only mean dat dey need hearing aids....
All that can be possibly done by a 'moderate Muslim', as u call it, is being done... take the mosques, take the madarsas, take the homes, ppl are aware, in fact 'scared' of being Muslims and all that follows being a Muslim. An engineer, an accountant, a teacher or a labourer cannot be expected to do more than this...
wat else is expected of us??? shud we buy AK47s ourselves, train ourselves to be guerillas and go fite the 'terrorists' in the Pak-Afghan region?????? is it dat wich ll b cald 'being VOICIFEROUS?'....

""""i really believe, if moderate muslims identify with the muslim community, they must be willing to raise their voices loudly enough, at least amongst their own to stop such stuff from spreading amongst their own.""""
a mother had ten children, she was a gr8 mom, taught all her kids to be gud people, love one another, respect one another.. two of the kids were brats, never listened to their mom... even their siblings tried to reason with them, but, to no avail... they grew up to be men whom no mother wud like to call as hers...
very rarely wil u meet a mum who actually wants her child to be a bad person.


""""i was always of the opinion that while this may be happening to muslims around the world, the muslims in south india were totally isolated from these incidents. however, i was pretty surprised to find the glasgow bomber was a guy from bangalore. and some mallu friends tell me the northern kerala region is seeing a lot of radicalisation also.""""
i, too, believed that down here there are no such communal probs... seems i, too, was wrong! i guess, i forgot the fact that we too are, after all, homo sapiens and can be brainwashed as much as our brothers up north. no wonder that we are seeing an uprise of Muslim terrorists in the south, as also the increased hostility towards Christians and Churches....

chokkathangam said...

ok.. this is turning into a minor debate maybe? i like..

and just wanted to clarify that i am a committed atheist and disrespect all religions equally.. so i don't think i am biased.. though ur welcome to challenge this..

1. regarding my point - "its something brought on by themselves", i hold to it.

firstly i want to tell you that i think there is a radicalization happening among muslims. maybe not in india so much. but in other countries, i certainly think so. this i base on all the news i get to read.

secondly, i'll touch upon what i mean when i say "brought upon by themselves".
lets take the glasgow bomber from bangalore. he has certainly come into contact with some people who radicalized him. the very fact that a fellow like him (from a place like bangalore, where there aren't any communal incidents at all) came into contact with radicals suggests radicals move about openly. and i think it is the responsibility of all in the community starting from his own family to ensure that such people are not allowed to preach their views, lest people like this guy get influenced.

and i'll turn ur argument around and say israelis did encroach palestine. arabs do hate them for it. and arabs attack americans and it is only fair to expect americans hate arabs for it. in fact americans have even more reasons to hate as there is a personal threat from muslims. so why complain when you know that americans are only doing to muslims what muslims do to americans/israelis? irrespective of whether its right or wrong, its only natural what?

2. """"and sadly enough, the moderate among muslims lacked the judgement to raise their voices vociferously enough against this.
""""

the thing is i have not come across this in the media (maybe you thought we got such news) and i admit what you say might be true, esp in india. in that case good. but lets take a country like pakistan. i have never heard of a single condemnation from that country (except official). my pakistani friends never criticize any of the terrorists when i ask them about it. they always immediately say stuff like "what the US does is also terrorism" when that was never the issue.

3. south indian muslims can be influenced no doubt. i wasn't making judgements on their moral status. only, south india on the whole is sleepy and very disconnected from the rest of the world and only now, the region is in the international radar. so i am surprised that radicalisation has crept in even here.

4. "it's just like Israel encrchd others homes so Israelis shud b hated"
""""standing up for your beliefs is one thing. however, letting it get overboard and allowing it to manifest in the form of hate is not good.""""

when i said "beliefs", i did not mean islamic. i meant stuff like holding up your views israelis are encroachers. and holding up your culture against what is popularised in the west. and supporting people who you truly believe were wronged. yes, its ok to oppose israelis/americans. pretty understandable. however, i think one mustn't allow hate to consume them, which is what i believe is the reason behind radicalisation. and note, anyone can allow this to happen to themselves. if they keep putting in their heads that the world is out to discriminate them.

finally i wanna tell you that i understand this maybe a personal topic for you unlike me. i don't really wanna hurt you or anyone with my comments and if you find this hurting, you can just end this here.

JaLpArI said...

@chokkathangam
""""ets take the glasgow bomber from bangalore. he has certainly come into contact with some people who radicalized him. the very fact that a fellow like him (from a place like bangalore, where there aren't any communal incidents at all) came into contact with radicals suggests radicals move about openly. and i think it is the responsibility of all in the community starting from his own family to ensure that such people are not allowed to preach their views, lest people like this guy get influenced.""""

i agree with u.... my question was wat exactly dyu want us to do???
consider my case... consider 'me' to be a 'case study' you have got to counsel... you want 'me' as a Muslim to stop terrorism. wat wud i be supposed to do?
and watever is ur answer... wat makes u believe dat i don't already do it?
you wrote, 'starting from his own family'.... now shud i place a board in front of my house and note down in it each time i advise my children (asumin i had childrn)... or wat??? even if i did dat.. dis board thing, i mean... wud it be of any use??? wudn it be booed down as yet another Muslim 'defensive' attempt and again people from all corners wud shout out... "Muslims, if they actually want to help in stopping terrorism, shud condemn it and voice against it strongly".. completing the circle of events... bringing us back to the question...
wat exactly am i supposed to do?
wat exactly am i expcted to do to show dat i am not a terrorist and im not brainwashing people and i am aware dat 'brainwashing' elements are present and im careful bout avoiding them.????????
in std of telin me 'do somethin' 'do somethin'. tel me wat the hell shud i do?



""""and i'll turn ur argument around and say israelis did encroach palestine. arabs do hate them for it. and arabs attack americans and it is only fair to expect americans hate arabs for it. in fact americans have even more reasons to hate as there is a personal threat from muslims. so why complain when you know that americans are only doing to muslims what muslims do to americans/israelis? irrespective of whether its right or wrong, its only natural what?""""

lolz... the whole point has been missed here.... you told that wat the Muslims have earned is their own doing....
to say that wud, conversly mean, dat all who are doing the 'doing' that Muslims did shud 'earn' dat wat the Muslims did.
so the amercns who have enuf misdeeds to their credit, (larger misdeeds than 9/11.. given the fact that 9/11 has a big cloud shrouding over it, even within america..if only u care to see...)
shud be hated equally, if not more....are they?
likewise israelis shud be hated unanimously for takin over someone's home...are they?
wen Hitler killed the jews....was there even a brief period in history, wen people world over went bout abusing the Christian faith, the Christians who were not nazis? prolly coz' at that time christians were in a very domineering position, as also now, and not like an impoverished state of Muslims in the present...i dunno dat...newaz..being more specific....is there any anti-aryan race feeling coz' it was in the name of belonging to this so-called-superior race many were treated inhumanly by the Nazis? ... is there any ant-German feeling coz Hitler was a German?????
but well, a Muslim kills and it's not him who is hated... it's Islam wich is hated... dat is precisely the message in the last pic of my post....
besides, goin by your own words
""""and i'll turn ur argument around and say israelis did encroach palestine. arabs do hate them for it. and arabs attack americans and it is only fair to expect americans hate arabs for it. in fact americans have even more reasons to hate as there is a personal threat from muslims. so why complain when you know that americans are only doing to muslims what muslims do to americans/israelis? irrespective of whether its right or wrong, its only natural what?""""

please notice ur switch from 'arabs' to 'muslims'.... well.. am not an Arab, am sure as hell, a Muslim...Alhamdulillah...America has a threat from 'me' coz it's killing Arabs?????????? :0 :0 :0
well... now who's feeding this in my mind???? who's somehow, consciously or unconsiosly, indicating that somehow it's up to me to avenge for my arab brothers??????? not a Muslim, but, a committed atheist who disrespects all religions equally.

""""so why complain when you know that americans are only doing to muslims what muslims do to americans/israelis? """"
b4 i make dis statement, lemme tell u dat i aint in favour of terrorism, i aint in favour of 9/11 weder it was done by osama, or by america, or by osamerica...
dis disclaimer is imp coz' anything i say wil be used against me to stand over my chest and shout, here lies a radical Muslim, arrest her..
so, i ask so why complain when you know that muslims are only doing to american/israelis what americans/israelis are doin to muslims ?.... now surely, palestine-israel thingie happened before 9/11..
again, i say that im not in favor of 9/11, but it's d atitude.. dat america does it... oh! it's only retaliation.... Muslims (since, saying Arab is of no use...) do it and OH MU GOD! WAT A SIN!

""""the thing is i have not come across this in the media (maybe you thought we got such news) and i admit what you say might be true, esp in india.""""
sadly, it's not covered much... media is a business. they give wat we want. we need 'bad' so they give the 'bad' ... and am sur u aware of 'orkut', well.. there r comunities and in 'future india', amuslim had started a thread teling of one such incident where the maulvis of many important muslim organizations had got together...against terorism, not a single person of any other comunity had praised the act... the only words they had was islam bashing for wat is hapenin round the world.. wen i pointed it out...the same thing that i have been trying to tel u... a member told me to be 'a borderline terrorist'.... the thread was deleted by the moderator after two days.

""""i have never heard of a single condemnation from that country (except official). my pakistani friends never criticize any of the terrorists when i ask them about it. they always immediately say stuff like "what the US does is also terrorism" when that was never the issue.""""

i stand wid u on this one... i cant say that bout the general public...coz again it cud be a media lapse, as we al know that wat we r shown bout pak is filtered by the govt. of india... if u see debates on tv.. u must have heard many pakis complaining bout it.. dat we r shown an image of pak that d indian govt wants us to see... cant say bout it!! but, definitely the Muslim clerics, even in Pakistan are against it! ther's a channel Qtv... it's Quran TV... aired from Pakistan... i've heard on that one... it teaches pure Quran.. have never heard any thing dat mite incite ppl to change sides, in fact i have heard the contrary... it's aired all over india.... but, wen it cums to the govt. i cudn agree more wid u... dat govt. (if it can b cald one) is so weak dat it needs external suport badly in order to retain power to any extent... gues dats d reason y they never oppose the training camps.. also, let's not forget dat pak is not exactly wat we'd call a friendly neighbpour... pak has a history of hating us... and the isi .. wat is it? it's these very 'terrorists' who they train at the camps....pak needs it for it's battle against india...so pak does nothing... and pak is engaged in a battle for land with india.. it's not for 'principles'.. religion is brought in for the 'x factor'.. like i mentioned in my post, i don remember the line.. if u cud plz read it again.
by saying all this, im not takin sides wid pakistan... it's only dat ive got so weary of being 'generalized' dat i take care not to 'generalize' ppl much... after all, wat can we even expect a normal person living in karachi to do??? he goes bout his work as any of us.. if in a mosque nearby, some elements are planing to blow of the taj in bombay, how was he to know? and wat can he do? considerin he's not livin in india.. but pak, where prolly he mite be shot for speakin up... remember how those officials were sacked for speakin in favour of india....
for all we know, in a hotel in alleppey some people mite be planin to plant a bomb somewhere.. do i know? i dont! and after the bomb goes off... wat can i do????
i dunno....
and regardin the answer "what the US does is also terrorism" ... it's just one of those defensive Muslim answers... wen dey dont want to discus, or dont want to admit that some of their brothers are actually 'terrorists'... this answer is a combination of two things- 1. denial... 2. the atitude adopted by others of blaming Muslims for all that any Muslim in the planet does and not applying the same law to other religions, countries....if u get wat i mean....
im reasoning for Pakis only coz if i too blame the whole of Pak for wat only some pakis do, im no different from the people who call me a terrorist coz' akmal blew up The Taj!


"""" only, south india on the whole is sleepy and very disconnected from the rest of the world and only now, the region is in the international radar. so i am surprised that radicalisation has crept in even here.""""
ya ...south India, even today is Alhamdulillah a better place to live in than the rest of the world...plz excuse the highly partial statement...
but, in the wake of all the terrorism dat is hapening, and all the ways a non-terorist-muslim is maligned... it only becums easier for enrollin ppl into the fold dat is 'radical'.... it's kind of 'radical' man being born of an 'insecure' lad... u go to the stage of being offensive once u cant handle being defensive any more... coz the latter is definitely more difficult. like i told bout the christian assaults... why??? why by hindus, a supposedly peaceful religion??? coz their position has been shaken by the spred of chrstianity... they are 'insecure'...
'radicalization' is a process dat wil happen wid change.... is there ny1 killing jews in india??? imagine an india in say... 2045... where suddenly dat north eastern state (don remember wich one...) which is claimin to be one of the lost tribes of Moses A.S and wants to form a separate Jewish state under the banner of Israel, starts an attempt to wage a 'freedom' struggle against India, Gid forbid! Given the financial and military status of Israel, we can expect a worse situation... wat den??? will Indians react the same way to the Jews as they do now??????????? they mite start killin the Jews in Kerala... let's say that the imagined freedom struggle is curbed, but the death of the jews in Kerala for the freedom struggle in North-Eastern India will not be forgotten by the Jews... ppl shudn forget dat if dey believe Islam to be such a fithy religion.. well.. it's not all dat difrnt from Judaism and Chrstnty...

"""when i said "beliefs", i did not mean islamic. i meant stuff like holding up your views israelis are encroachers. and holding up your culture against what is popularised in the west. and supporting people who you truly believe were wronged. yes, its ok to oppose israelis/americans. pretty understandable. however, i think one mustn't allow hate to consume them, which is what i believe is the reason behind radicalisation. and note, anyone can allow this to happen to themselves. if they keep putting in their heads that the world is out to discriminate them.""""
:) im sorry to get "beliefs" wrong!!
and well, this was very well put! the only thing is, if america attacks india, will we sit silent??? i don think so... i'd say one last thing in favour of the palestinians...
why shudn dey fite for their own land... their very own land????
a Christian goes crazy and goes about killing Jews in Europe.... later the other Christians decide to repent in the name of the merciful Messiah and for the image build up of America and Europe...by..... Displacing Muslims in Asia.....because once upon a time on planet Earth, Moses was the leader of the children of Israel!!isnt it just a WOW!!! .. i mean c'mon!!! they say that a footprint found in Sri Lanka belongs to Adam... so, why not send them there after all the first prophet of all the three religions is Adam... chalo.. even dat is fine.. den these supposedly 'refugees' wage wars and break walls and take up even more of the land than what was given to them under a fake repentance... heard the story of the camel who pushes out his owner from the tent??? somethin like dat... even then u expect the palestinians to compromise? are you aware of the scene now???? there are hundreds of Palestinians fleeing to the Americas and the Kingdom for a better life... and hundreds of Jews from the world over are returning to Israel, the Holy Land of the Lost Tribes Of Moses!!! why shud the palestinians still remain quiet??? tell me??? if religion is the reason then Jerusalem is holy to all the 3 religions... a lot of wars have been fought over it during d ages of kings and queens... it finally came to the hands of Muslims, simply coz it was the last religion to come... to see the peak of its power. so it was wid Muslims, den y??? y in a democratic and free world, in a world where colonialism was on the decline, dat such an injustice was done? y was Jerusalem taken over from one religion and handed over to a second religion by a third religion??? and y in spite of this , it's the first religion which is considered wrong???....

""""however, i think one mustn't allow hate to consume them, which is what i believe is the reason behind radicalisation. and note, anyone can allow this to happen to themselves. if they keep putting in their heads that the world is out to discriminate them.""""
and this is the answer to the first question i asked you....wat can we do to stop terrorism? i had told you it always ends in a circle... see? here it ends in the same thing.. it comes down to me taking care of myself, me protecting myself from 'hate', my children from 'hate'... which i do... wat makes anyone say dat i dont???? do dey live wid me? and yet again the rant wud begin of Muslims not doin anythin bout it.. and it surely applies to majority of the Muslims in the world, coz just imagine if a few thousands of hate-fed Muslims can cause such havoc in the world, wat wud happen if the second largest religious population in the world started 'hating' ??? you and i wudn be commenting on blogs then... the world wud've been turned to ash long bak..


""""finally i wanna tell you that i understand this maybe a personal topic for you unlike me. i don't really wanna hurt you or anyone with my comments and if you find this hurting, you can just end this here.""""

i appreciate it brother, dat u care if ur comments hurt ne1.. most of the ppl dont... but, its ok. if ppl were not diferent in their views, phrases like "in my opinion", "according to them", "i believe" wudn hav been formed..
it's all rite to be diferent, im sure u agree....and just like u, i too have only spoken out my views...
i too wish i havent offended u at any point in my ranting...
this wasnt the purpose of my post.. it only meant.. to live bindaas even if the world is trying to blame u for everything!!

chokkathangam said...

hey sry i didn't follow up.. am getting flamed at work.. i'll just get a quick comment in that only attempts to answer ur first question regarding what can be done..

you say you are vigilant, and give make sure ur family is fine.. i say thats fine, but u did not get the point.

u forget that there is a blurry distinction between community and individual. the thing is, you must do exactly what you are doing. and do it better if possible. however, apart from you, everyone else in teh muslim community must also do the same. that is actually the only way the community as a whole will be unaffected. in a way, what is happening is similar to a fad. just like it has become a fad for indians to speak english and neglect their mama's tongue. so you need to stop this as a community. and admittedly, ur capabilities as an individual are pretty limited.

the next question arises is what happens if the "fad" catches. Even if 1% of the muslim community in the world become hardcore radicals, you simply cannot evade being branded/labelled/what not. then, my logical brain suggests the only way out will be to make a distinction regarding ur faith. as in start a new movement which aims to do away with loopholes that allow extremist or even outdated views to propogate. again, the above para is only a logical analysis. no deep rooted feelings here. if u think alternatives exist, i can very well take it.

JaLpArI said...

well... ya... i totally agree wid ur . and InshaAllah i, for one, will try to the best in my reach to rope in more from my community agnst terorism.

sandy25.009 said...

3:151 We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve,
because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority,
and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.


Those who do not agree with our way of believing, kill them, wherever you find them,
cut off their heads, with heavy fetters, throw them into blazing fires; pour boiling
water upon their heads, melting their skins." Translation of "The Glorious Quran"
by Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall



Quran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them,
and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent
and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving,
Merciful."

Quran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid
them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them,
until War shall lay down her burdens.


i hav not read the q'uran, and hav copied it from some where else
plz tell me what i hav pasted here is true or not
if it is false then i am with muslims
but if any of these is true, then i will lose evey iota of respect for islam. coz i belief a single drop of poison can convert the milk into poison.

sandy25.009 said...

personally i belief that muslims need to change their attitude towards terrorism
i hav felt soft corner for terrorists in most of the muslims regardless of their background(educational or economical).

in punjab terrorism with the help of local sikkhs, remember supercop KPS Gill, he too was a sikkh, but had no sof corner for prokhalistanis

do you think that it is possibvle to fight with superpowers for so long time without mass support.

you may say that their is injustice against muslims in some parts of world, but the way they are responding to this is the extremity of cowardness, muslim world hav enough resources to go for a full declared war, if they think there is injustice, then y terrorism.

poor vietnamese hav already set an example when they defeated the combined US and Nato forces with very limited resources, vietnamese hav gained respect for their fight against US, but muslims are not only defaming their religion but also their community, thats y u r writing posts like this

JaLpArI said...

the first thing i wud tel here is dat these are indeed verses from the Qur'an.
so u r 'free to lose every iota of respect for islam'.

in that case, since u've already made up ur mind, u need not even proceed to read wat i write. for this makes u no different from those Muslims who r reading these verses and going bout killing ppl.

in any case, i shall post the complete reply.
before any person tries to read or learn the Qur'an, he shud understand that the Qur'an was not revealed on a single day. the Qur'an was not even revealed chapter wise. It was actually revealed in parts, a few verses at a time. and most of the verses at relevant times.
for e.g. wen a false accusation had been made against Aayesha R.A, the verse of Slnader agnst a pure woman had been revealed. When Huzur S.A.W had got irked by the questions of a blind man, the verse admonishing Him S.A.W was revealed.

likewise, every verse in the Qur'an has a context. A context knowing which is essential to know wat God implied wen he revealed those verses. Learning the Qur'an widout the context wud be (as it is being) meaningless just like if you remove the context of the Mahabharata, the Gita remains nothing but a call to fight.(u wud know the Gita, if u r a Hindu)

having said that, i wud like u to read up the context of the verses u hav mentioned.
in the Age of the advent of Islam, the Arabs had done all they cud to stop Islam from spreading.... just like Jews did to Jesus, and all non-believers did to all the Prophets.
and yet, wars were not fought with everyone... to know this better, u rather research urself than making me copy paste.
well,
there had been alliances with numerous tribes that the Muslims wudn harm them as long as they dont harm Muslims. this is absolutely just. in any situation of a break of the agreements, wars were imminent, coz it's break of trust, and then it is 'survival of the fittest', both sides come to the battlefield and fight. whoever is stronger wins..
Islam has won many wars.. and has lost many wars.

JaLpArI said...

3:151 We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve,
because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority,
and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.


I read in the Sunday Mail newspaper (July 17,2005,p.58,59) a two page article, first
published in Time magazine, which claimed to look inside the mind of a suicide bomber.
I am a Muslim and it frightened the living daylights out of me! The very disturbing part
was that this young man claimed to excel in “Koranic” studies and said that Jihadis can
instantly quote a relevant section from the “Koran”. He did admit to undergoing a
programme to discipline his mind which is what we would call brainwashing. He also said
that the “Koran” says it is the duty of Muslims to bring terror to the enemy, so he said
being a terrorist makes him a good Muslim. This is really scary! This is a gross
misinterpretation of the Quran and a misunderstanding of the entire religion of Islam.
May God have mercy on us all.
Relating to his comments, I want to tell you a story about the Battle of Uhud.
Muhammad received a letter from his uncle ‘Abbas warning him that the Meccan army
consisting of 3,000 men, 200 horses and 3,000 camels, was setting off to attack Medinah
in order to annihilate the entire Muslim community. Allah assured Muhammad that the
Meccan army would be terrified, that Allah “would put terror into the hearts of the
unbelievers” (Quran 3:151). Remember, unbelievers are the idol worshipping Meccans.
Muhammad gathered an army of 700 to defend their religion of Islam, submission to
God. Before the battle, Muhammad consulted his companions, sent a group of young
boys back home to their mothers and prayed the dawn prayer. Against all odds the
Muslim community survived. The Meccan Quraysh counted 22 dead out of 3,000. The
Muslims lost 72. Muhammad himself was injured. Among the dead was Hamzah. The
Quraysh mutilated his body. The Prophet was angered but a revelation came to him to
remain patient so the Muslims were forbidden to ever mutilate. The Prophet also
forbade any injury to the enemy’s face. There lay injured was a man not known to be
Muslim. Before he died on the plain, he told the Prophet he fought for the sake of Islam.
For years later he became known as the man who entered Paradise without ever praying
one of the five daily prayers. Another dead, was a learned Rabbi, Mukhayriq, of the
Jewish clan of Tha’laban, who had summoned his people to keep their pact with the
Prophet and to join him in fighting the idolaters. Muhammad prayed a funeral prayer for
each of the 72 dead. (4)
I hope this makes it clear to you how important it is to put verses from the Quran in their


i have pasted this directly from another site.
this mentions the incident wen the verse was revealed. also note dat some Jews had fought the war WITH the Muslims and not against the Muslims. this is because there was a pact. thhis means Muslims were not blindly killing everyone. there were alliances with many tribes and groups dat, "u don kill me and i don kill u"

besides one more thing to be told here is that the "WE" in the beginning of the verse is not the Muslims, it is GOD. God will put terror into the hearts of the disbelievers, not Muslims. The entire Qur'an is by God's first person.

plz quote the verse number of the next verse, im not a hafizah to know the verse numbers.

Quran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them,
and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent
and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving,
Merciful."


this is the way most non-Muslims quote the Qur'an and this is the way most terrorists quote the Qur'an too in order to bring in more ppl.
the verses leadin to this verse and a few verses following are :

9. Surah At-Taubah (The Repentance)

1. Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger () to those of the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.

2. So travel freely (O Mushrikun - see V.2:105) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah, and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.

3. And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah - the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (O Muhammad ) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.

4. Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).

5. Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

6. And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Qur'an), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.

7. How can there be a covenant with Allah and with His Messenger for the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) except those with whom you made a covenant near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah)? So long, as they are true to you, stand you true to them. Verily, Allah loves Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).

8. How (can there be such a covenant with them) that when you are overpowered by them, they regard not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant with you? With (good words from) their mouths they please you, but their hearts are averse to you, and most of them are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah).

9. They have purchased with the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah a little gain, and they hindered men from His Way; evil indeed is that which they used to do.

10. With regard to a believer, they respect not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who are the transgressors.

11. But if they repent, perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) and give Zakat, then they are your brethren in religion. (In this way) We explain the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for a people who know.

12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish - pagans of Makkah) - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions).

13. Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

14. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people,

15. And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allah accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

16. Do you think that you shall be left alone while Allah has not yet tested those among you who have striven hard and fought and have not taken Walijah [(Batanah - helpers, advisors and consultants from disbelievers, pagans, etc.) giving openly to them their secrets] besides Allah and His Messenger, and the believers. Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do.


this is not an explanation based on the context,but only a direct translation, but they are very clear as regards the meaning.
a rough explanation will be
The first point that needs to be considered is the opening of Surah Al-Taubah. The opening of the Surah may be translated as:

“A declaration of the dissolution of agreements from God and His messenger to the idolaters with whom you have made [no-war] agreements. Thus, you [O polytheists] may freely traverse in the land for four months, but know that you shall not escape God’s judgment and that God shall surely humble the unbelievers. A proclamation [should be made] to these people from God and His messenger on the day of Hajj-e-Akbar, [declaring] that God and His messenger are no longer under any obligation toward these polytheists. If you repent, [O polytheists,] it shall be better for you but if you turn your backs [paying no heed], then know that you shall not be able to escape God’s judgment. Give these rejecters the glad tidings of a painful punishment, except those polytheists who have not dishonored their treaties with you and have not aided anyone against you. With these, fulfill your treaties till the appointed term. Indeed, God loves the righteous. When the sacred months are over, slay the polytheists wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them.” (Al-Taubah 9: 1 – 5)

The Qur’an further says:

“How can there be any responsibility of these agreements on God and His messenger, except those with whom you made agreements at the Sacred Mosque? Thus, so long as they uphold their part of the treaty, you should uphold yours. Indeed God loves the righteous.” (Al-Taubah 9: 7)

A close look at the above verses shall suffice as evidence to the fact that the directive, “Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them” is given against those polytheists with whom the Muslims, under the leadership of the Prophet (pbuh), had entered into an agreement and who had disregarded this agreement and aided others against the Muslims. Obviously, these qualities cannot be generalized on all the polytheists of the world.

The Qur’an further says:

“Will you not fight against those who have broken their oaths and have conspired to banush the messenger? They were the first to attack you.” (Al-Taubah 9: 12)

Thus, a further qualification of those against whom the directive is given is that besides breaking their oaths with the Muslims, they conspired to banush the Prophet (pbuh) and were the first to attack the Muslims. It is obvious that the referred directive implies to take action against a particular people. It cannot be generalized to the whole world and to all times to come.



Quran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid
them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them,
until War shall lay down her burdens.

i dont understand ur doubt here...
it describes a war. a battle. Pikthall (the one whom u have quoted) uses the word 'battle' and Abdullah Yusuf Ali (the one i usually follow) uses the word 'fight'...'jihad' has a wider meaning, 'war' is only a part of 'jihad'.
in any case, it describes a war scene.
as in wen u fite a war, break their legs or hit them on the head. WHEN u FITE a WAR. not all the time, the verse speaks for itself.
newaz, here's a link to a similar question asked by someone.
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/15543.htm

JaLpArI said...

personally i belief that muslims need to change their attitude towards terrorism
i hav felt soft corner for terrorists in most of the muslims regardless of their background(educational or economical).

have u read the previous comments in this post???????? if u haven't , u shud. and if u hav, i wonder if u understand english.

JaLpArI said...

do you think that it is possibvle to fight with superpowers for so long time without mass support.

:o :o :o
where are the Muslims fighting superpowers????????????????????


in America??? u mean the 9/11???
plz search the net bout theories on 9/11........ Americans themselves are not sure whether to trust it or not. Implementation of 9/11 wudn have needed the suposrt of the Muslim World, it wud only need the terrorists and America herself... :) :)
or may be not even the terrorists :O :O it's not me saying this!!!! it's the Americans!!! go figure!!

where else??? britain, russia, India??? they are ATTACKS..... not a sustained continuous war.... u don need to have all the Muslims if u r only planning for attacks...
the only places where sustained war is on are the countries in the middle east... and remember that is their own land!!!

you may say that their is injustice against muslims in some parts of world, but the way they are responding to this is the extremity of cowardness, muslim world hav enough resources to go for a full declared war, if they think there is injustice, then y terrorism.
from this part of ur comment, i can only infer that u believe im favouring terrorism......... can u plz point out where in my post did i favour terrorism???????? ???
i too believe that if u, sandy, has harmed me... i shud hurt u, sandy and not my neighbour or the people standing in a bus stop or railway station, just to vent out my anger. if u hurt me and i hurt you back, i don see any harm, but if u hurt me and i hurt others just coz they are 'supposedly' of ur religion, it IS an extremity of cowardice. so, if George Bush or Narendra Modi are responsible for any heinous acts, they shud be subject to suffer not others.

but, which Muslim World are u talkin bout regardin enuf of resources????? Muslims are not all crammed up in 1 country unlike some other religions... Muslims are the world over. So, all Muslims cannot possibly go on a WAR together.

muslims are not only defaming their religion but also their community, thats y u r writing posts like this
Agreed!

now tell me, did u even READ my post?????coz' i have very well written that WE are being blamed for others' WRONGDOINGS, ... dat means i do believe some r wrong.

well...
ur very comment saying that "mass suport" is present tells a lot of ur psyche...and ur understanding. i dont think u wud have an open mind enuf to understand all dat i hav written.
some ppl are only meant to join orkut communities and rely upon wat they read there. some ppl love learning bout Islam from non-Islamic sites... cant help it if they dont have an iota of respect for islam.
for the people who do LEARN Islam the right way, who Learn Islam from proper sources and not by debates which are bound to twist and turn the Qur'an... all we know is Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and well... not among the uneducated and poor.

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sandy25.009 said...

when i say there is mass support i mean it bit by bit.

terrorist get shelter,funds and every thing from the masses. for instance take the example of urself.
u hav sympathy in ur heart for pahlestenians and what they are doing, but not for the kashmiri pandits of ur own country. i hav not met with any muslim yet, who had ever raised/mentioned the problems of kashi-pandits.
where as i can give many non-muslim names who are working for riot affected people of india.

u say that evey terrorist attack on india is not war against india, just because all muslims have not attacked, so if a few lakh paki army will attack india what u will say it is not an war coz all pakistanis hav not attacked.

JaLpArI said...

http://almasshamim.blogspot.com/2009/04/scared-of-being-muslim-part-2-in-reply.html

Amresh said...

Must appreciate what u have written regarding the subject. U have really impressed me with ur thoughts (not that impressing me matters to u ). Just wanted share some of my thoughts on this.
I am a Hindu and when a miniscule portion of the community like the dudes from shiv sane or bajrang dal etc. spit venom on my behalf, I feel like shouting from the peak of Mount Everest….AM NOT ONE OF THEM. I want to distance myself (at least a 100 light years) from their acts and ideology (in case they have one). So to some extent, I can understand ur pain (though it is a 1000 times more). This probably is coz they are really miniscule & the normal (some people say moderates) Hindus have been able to show them their place. In case of Muslims, I guess that is not the case coz many Indian muslims have been found to be associated with terrorism. But still am sure a very vast majority of Indian muslims think like u do.
However, I cannot share the soft corner that u have for our paki friends. Though I agree to an extent that not all of them r blood thirsty, cowards, @$@##%#%^%#@#$@!@#@$@ (unprintable). But those who r not, need to overpower the assholes and tell them the cruelty they r committing will not take them to jannat & defiantly not get them 72 virgins. They can have all the sex they want in this world only. And I feel it is our job to connect with normal pakis and tell them they have a task to finish. These assholes using islam commit inhumane acts need to be told to go to hell.

JaLpArI - tHe MeRmAiD said...

Well thanks a lot amresh. . .
i appreciate your thots too. . .
waise i have stopped publishing comments, but, i guess any positive remark in this regard is good for the world. So thanks again.
yet, i do not understand. . . What makes you feel i have a soft corner for pakistan? ? ? ? Well. . . .
if i have spoken anything good bout that country, i believe it to be good. Not coz i have a "soft corner". If you have read my comments above to another dude. . You must understand that. Besides you can click on other relevant "labels" in my blog. . . To know my stand on pakistan.
i hate pakistan for all the reasons it should be hated.
and when it shouldn be hated. . . I dont.
thanks for making me re-read this old old post of mine. :)
tc.

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